On this last day of Women’s Herstory Month, I’m celebrating the Rev. Dr. Prathia Hall Wynn. After all, it was Rev. Prathia’s deeply held sense of “Freedom Faith”–which she worked out in her roles as both minister and activist–as well as her staunch commitment to the lives of black women, that inspired the creation of this online network. To find out more about her (beyond the pat informationavailable on the internet), it seemed best to go to one who knew and loved her. Dr. Teresa Fry Brown, herself a professor and lioness of a preacher woman, was a mentee of Rev. Prathia’s and continues to be guided by her life, legacy and wisdom. What follows is a brief interview I conducted with Dr. Fry Brown (affectionately known to many as “Dr. T”) about her experiences with Rev. Prathia, what she knew about Rev. Prathia’s values and commitments as well as Dr. T’s own musings on the topic of women in ministry.
Q: The Rev. Dr. Prathia Hall was one of your mentors. Tell me a bit about how you met her and how the two of you eventually developed a relationship.
Dr. T: I first met Dr. Prathia at a revival in Denver, Colorado in 1986. She preached “When the Hurts Don’t Heal.” I was recently divorced, in seminary and raising my daughter. The coordinator of the revival invited me to have dinner with them following the service. I was immediately struck by the measured warmth of her voice, the womanly gentleness of her pulpit presence even in the “hoop” at the end, her big sister hand on top of my hand as she spoke connecting our souls, the way her eyes took in the entire person as if only the two of us were in conversation in the midst of many and her honesty in self disclosure, not as bragging but as Mother Wit. Her pastor’s heart was ever present even when she was in pain or overburdened.
Q: From what I’ve read about her, Rev. Prathia had a burgeoning sense of social
consciousness and commitment to justice at a relatively young age. This consciousness was interwoven with her faith and life in the church, such that it was an extension of her faith (as opposed to something wholly separate from it). Can you say more about the ways that Rev. Prathia’s social justice commitments, such as her early work in SNCC, worked in concert with her understanding of God and God’s presence in the world?
Dr. T: Dr. Parthia explained to me that social justice was calling just like pulpit ministry. It was as natural as breathing to her even as her father tried to protect her from the realities of evil in the world. She was born to it, however, and even in life’s threatening situations, she had an inner push that sought to birth freedom.
Q: As she worked against racial discrimination, Rev. Prathia was also keenly (and personally) aware of how racism often converges with sexism in the lives of black women. Briefly tell us what you know about her identity as a womanist and how it informed her work in fighting sexism, particularly in the black church.
Dr. T: I believe that what I first experienced in Denver at initially meeting Dr. Prathia is what I saw her do repeatedly: ground work, in the trenches demonstration of her abilities rather than railing against things. She was passionate about justice yet projected a deeply spiritual engagement with issues of equality. Perhaps I met her at a time in her life where the stresses, strains, injuries and disappointment had mellowed her, but I believe that her dream involved a subtle yet wise approach to her “freedom faith.” There is an old song that says “may the work I’ve done speak for me…” In my estimation, her womanist sensibilities were most evident in the doing, her presence, her head up, eyes fixed carriage even when her back ached, rather than talking. More praxis than mere discourse.
Q: I like to think of Rev. Prathia as a “border-crosser”; that is to say she was both a prolific preacher in the church and an astute scholar in the academy. I also think the same can be said of you. There are many who find it difficult to (successfully) straddle both institutions. In what ways did you witness Rev. Prathia operating as a “border-crosser” and how did it inform your own experience?
Dr. T: Prathia told me that I should never put God in a box or allow others to place me in a box. Her insistence that I call on all the gifts and graces God instilled within me to “do more” resonates even today. I believe that thought and action, faith and education, the academy and the church, are theory and praxis that are inseparable. Our brain and musculature are composed of different configurations of our cellular DNA. Society seeks to cordon off land and control life into discrete categories as if one area, person or place should be privileged over another. I have learned, from not only Prathia, but my other mothers and sister friends, that our lives are enriched with a critical yet affirming exploration of all aspects of life on both sides of the “borders.”
Q: Like many women in ministry, Rev. Prathia wore many hats. She was a preacher, a pastor, an activist, and an academician. She was also a mother. How did you see her juggling these roles? Did you ever get the sense that she sought to balance or prioritize aspects of her personal and professional lives?
Dr. T: Like many multiple hat wearing women, one seldom balances and rarely juggles without occasionally dropping something. I think she prioritized as she was led by God. There are, of course, consequences for prioritizing. But as much as she could, she let her children know that she loved them and that she was accessible even as so many others pulled on her for mentoring, leadership and service.
Q: Given your relationship with Rev. Prathia as well as the book that you’ve written on the subject of mentoring, I’m sure you can attest to the importance of these types of relationships to any black woman navigating her way through ministry. Can you say more about the critical role mentoring and intergenerational conversations play in constructing and preserving a history of black women in ministry?
Dr. T: I believe there would be fewer toxic relationships between women in ministry if we allowed each other to breath, to make mistakes, to be ourselves, to give each other space, to imagine what that sister has to do to even think of entering ministry, to listen to the voices of those who have been where we are trying to be, and to pray for the actualization of each others’ call even if they are significantly different than our own.
Q: Though black women continue to face various social ills in ministry, the terrain of ministry has changed quite a bit since Rev. Prathia was ordained in 1977. Considering what you know about her journey as well as your own, give us your thoughts about the collective trajectory of black women in ministry. Does this particular time period require anything different from us than what was required of clergywoman before us? What aspects of the groundwork that has already been laid should current and upcoming clergywomen build on in order to leave a contribution during the time that is ours?
Dr. T: While I agree that some things have changed dramatically such as the number of women in ministry, I still think we cannot afford to be complacent in seeking justice and equality for all women in ministry. In 2010 there are more women than men graduating from seminary, but that does not necessarily equate to senior pastor or even administrative appointments at local churches. Women are still being called on to clean up someone else’s mess at churches only to be moved when the church is again healthy. Women would benefit from studying persons like Rev. Prathia or other womanist to learn how to name themselves, chart their own space in ministry and address injustices for those whom sense they have no voice or backup.
A very special thanks to Rev. Dr. Teresa Fry Brown for partnering with me in honoring Rev. Prathia and, most especially, for participating in the intergenerational sharing of stories and perspectives that I believe to be central to legacy-building and history-preserving among black women clergy and activists. I offer this interview as not only an informative resource, but also as a form of meditation as we continue to reflect on our own lives and work during this last week of Holy Week. Ashe.

By now you’ve seen the images of devastation left by the earthquake in Haiti. You’ve heard the grisly reports of trapped, wounded and dead Haitian men, women and children. If you’re like me, you also saw the black and brown faces amid all the ruble and had immediate flashbacks of Hurricane Katrina. Only now, the impact is on a much larger scale that includes an entire country that has historically been
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bring a gendered analysis to the helm of these conversations in the public sphere. As much as Smiley and crew are often the brunt of many‘a joke in the black community, there is a way in which they have maintained influential roles in “main street” black public discourse. Whether it be in the church, the barbershop or the nail salon, many of the core beliefs behind the norms and realities we discuss in these institutions are reflections of (if not defined by) the prognostications of leaders who refuse to see beyond a patriarchal lens.



